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  Lengthy letter re: End Time Events / read ONLY if you still believe in God.

  by mother Teresa in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  shalom,.

  my mom's family is mostly jws.

  during her second marriage, i attended the weekly meeting and sunday meetings (by my own choice) with a family in the very small town we lived, since my mom didn’t attend.

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  Nathan Natas

  I'm an atheist. I violated your prime directive and there ain't nothin' you or your Lord and Father can do 'bout it.

  Blessed be.
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  A different viewpoint of "many will come in my name saying I am the Christ"

  by truthseeker in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  most jws are familiar with the scripture at matthew 24:5: "for many will come in my name, saying, ‘i am the christ,’ and they will lead many astray.".

  it is implied that people would come in jesus' name declaring that they were christ - but could there be another view on this scripture?

  could this also mean that jesus said many would come in his name saying he is christ?.

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  Truthseeker, seek this wisdom: Jesus dressed himself in mayonnaise.
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  Sex and Rockets - Strange Angel CBS series, Charles Taze Russell and Jack Parsons

  by truthseeker in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'm watching the cbs series strange angel.

  it is based on a true story about jack parsons, who along with others, pioneered rocket development in 1930's america.. "strange angel, a drama series created by mark heyman (black swan, the wrestler) and based on george pendle's book of the same name, explores the dramatic intersection between genius and madness, science and science fiction.. the story follows the life of jack parsons, a mysterious and brilliant man in 1930s los angeles, who by day helps birth the entirely unknown discipline of american rocketry, and by night is a performer of sex magick rituals and a disciple to occultist aleister crowley.".

  https://www.cbs.com/shows/strange-angel/.

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  I'm curious about when this show is aired. Here in Seattle it is not on any schedule for DirecTV.

  Jack Parsons was an interesting guy. I have both "Sex and Rockets" and "Strange Angel."

  By the way, every day THOUSANDS of things happen just because two things happen on the same day does not mean they were connected, or a conspiracy, or fulfillment of wacko prophecy.
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  …Is Jehovah Actively Exposing The Wicked Watchtower Society In The Child Abuse Cases? (Ezekiel 36:12)

  by MADMARY in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  ezekiel 36:3-15 tells us about a “bad report” that would go out among the nations about apostate israel.

  verse 12 of this chapter shows us that jehovah takes a direct hand in this affair in fighting against his own people.

  so we can ask, are we today seeing god’s active hand against the watchtower society in exposing the child abuse cases among jehovah’s witnesses around the world?

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  NO.

  Jehovah is a sock-puppet that is in the back of the bottom right-hand drawer of Freddy Franz's old desk which is stored in a barn somewhere in upstate New York.

  Sock-puppets don't think and can only act when someone has their arm up its ass.

  There is no spiritual realm that is a source of cosmic justice.

  Next question, please.
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  Was CT Russell a freemason or not

  by UnshackleTheChains in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  ok. many people deny ct russell was a freemason.

  i have read articles whereby some have found no evidence to prove he was one at any point in his life.. however, given all the masonic symbols in the early publications including the use of the name jehovah ( the name the freemason's use to identify god), as well as the expressions used such as 'new world, new order' etc certainly raises suspicions.. then there is the article he wrote in the herald magazine outlining that he was a freemason (see the following video 40 seconds in).

  it really does make you think!.

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  DUBSTEPPED asked, "Am I wrong?"

  Yes, in my opinion, at this time on this issue, you are in error. You said, "I was under the impression that CTR's group of Bible Students were comprised of people of all different faiths and that it was okay to mix." (Emphasis mine.)

  ALL different faiths? How many Muslims?

  None.

  CTR thought it was his mission to gather the members of Christ's "Bride Class" from the various churches of Christendom into which they had been scattered. They were all nominal Christians who were to be prepared for their Everlasting Marriage in the world beyond.

  This brings us to the question, "When we talk about Masons or Freemasons, what do we mean?"

  This is what I mean:

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  From Wikipedia, "History of Freemasonry"

  Origins
  

  Since the middle of the 19th century, Masonic historians have sought the origins of the movement in a series of similar documents known as the Old Charges, dating from the Regius Poem in about 1425 to the beginning of the 18th century. Alluding to the membership of a lodge of operative masons, they relate a mythologised history of the craft, the duties of its grades, and the manner in which oaths of fidelity are to be taken on joining. The 15th century also sees the first evidence of ceremonial regalia.

  There is no clear mechanism by which these local trade organisations became today's Masonic Lodges, but the earliest rituals and passwords known, from operative lodges around the turn of the 17th–18th centuries, show continuity with the rituals developed in the later 18th century by accepted or speculative Masons, as those members who did not practice the physical craft came to be known. The minutes of the Lodge of Edinburgh (Mary's Chapel) No. 1 in Scotland show a continuity from an operative lodge in 1598 to a modern speculative Lodge. It is reputed to be the oldest Masonic Lodge in the world.
  

  Alternatively, Thomas De Quincey in his work titled; Rosicrucians and Freemasonry, put forward the theory which suggested that Freemasonry was possibly an outgrowth of Rosicrucianism. The theory had also been postulated in 1803 by German professor; J. G. Buhle.
  

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  From Wikipedia page on Rosicrucianism
  

  Rosicrucianism is a spiritual and cultural movement which arose in Europe in the early 17th century after the publication of several texts which purported to announce the existence of a hitherto unknown esoteric order to the world and made seeking its knowledge attractive to many. The mysterious doctrine of the order is allegedly "built on esoteric truths of the ancient past", which "concealed from the average man, provide insight into nature, the physical universe, and the spiritual realm." The manifestos do not elaborate extensively on the matter, but clearly combine references to Kabbalah, Hermeticism, alchemy, and mystical Christianity.

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  I will offer that the esoteric nature of Freemasonry makes it incompatible with CTR's teachings, also that the laws governing Freemasonry are extra-Biblical and to be shunned.
  That is what I think right now.
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  Is There Life After Death

  by Brokeback Watchtower in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  i think this is a well developed discussion, of ian stevenson's work in investigating people's past lives claims.

  it's a little long.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0attm9hgcdw.

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  Cofty opined, "Animals also have a consciousness to a lesser degree."

  I would suggest that "different" might be better than "lesser" in this sentence.

  I feel that remnants of Victorian chauvinism persist in our society. EVERYTHING that goes on in our brains goes on in the brains of our furry cousins. How can I say this? Because the hormones in mammalian brains are the same. These are chemical keys. If the keys are the same, the locks must be the same too.

  I think anyone who really has a relationship with a companion animal knows what I'm talking about, while those who "own" pets they think are animatronic knick-knacks think I'm nuts.
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  Was CT Russell a freemason or not

  by UnshackleTheChains in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  ok. many people deny ct russell was a freemason.

  i have read articles whereby some have found no evidence to prove he was one at any point in his life.. however, given all the masonic symbols in the early publications including the use of the name jehovah ( the name the freemason's use to identify god), as well as the expressions used such as 'new world, new order' etc certainly raises suspicions.. then there is the article he wrote in the herald magazine outlining that he was a freemason (see the following video 40 seconds in).

  it really does make you think!.

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  WHYNOT queried, "Anyway, why is it a bad thing if he was a Freemason?"

  There would have been conflicts because of the Pastor's feelings about interfaith activities,

  but it isn't so much a question of good vs. bad, but of TRUE vs. FALSE, that's all. If XJWs walk around

  saying things about CTR that are demonstrably untrue, they come off looking like goofballs, which is

  not in accord with UADNA guidelines.

  (selah)
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  Simon, is it possible to add an "Underline" button to options?

  by Wonderment in

  1. forum
  2. suggestions

  simon, is it possible to add an "underline" button to the available options?.

  thanks again for this site!.

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  Nathan Natas

  Be honest with your reasons for desiring this feature; don't resort to underlining to us!
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  Is There Life After Death

  by Brokeback Watchtower in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  i think this is a well developed discussion, of ian stevenson's work in investigating people's past lives claims.

  it's a little long.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0attm9hgcdw.

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  Nathan Natas

  YES!

  AFTER you die, other people WILL STILL BE ALIVE!
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  Was CT Russell a freemason or not

  by UnshackleTheChains in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  ok. many people deny ct russell was a freemason.

  i have read articles whereby some have found no evidence to prove he was one at any point in his life.. however, given all the masonic symbols in the early publications including the use of the name jehovah ( the name the freemason's use to identify god), as well as the expressions used such as 'new world, new order' etc certainly raises suspicions.. then there is the article he wrote in the herald magazine outlining that he was a freemason (see the following video 40 seconds in).

  it really does make you think!.

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  UnshackleTheChains said, "It really does make you think!"

  NO, it does not.

  If I draw a six-pointed star, does that make me a Jew?

  If I write an uppercase "T", does that make me a Christian?

  NO!

  The symbols of secret societies ARE NOT SECRET! ANYONE can appropriate them for ANY purpose, and

  Pastor Russell did just as the Apostle Paul did when he spoke extemporaneously on Mars Hill, announcing that he was there to preach "the unknown god" to whom an altar was erected!

  Was that altar erected for Yahweh? Hay-sus? NO!

  Likewise when CTR said he was a Mason; he was using hyperbole, or exaggerating, or LYING in order, he thought, to SAVE his audience.

  "That is not dead which can eternal lie,

  and in STRANGE eons, even death may die"